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FEATURE COMPARISON- See Inside the MSD-Crane and CD1 scroll down

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Feature

Daytona Sensors CD-1 P/N 102003

Crane HI-6DSR    P/N 6000-6424

MSD Digital 6            P/N 6520

RPM Limiting Stages

Three. Third (launch) stage set via PC Link

CD-Pro 2 Limiters-NHRA Pro Bracket Legal

Two

Two

Retard Capability

Driver adjustable retard, boost retard, and 0-10 high gear retard capability

Driver adjustable retard and boost retard capability

0-10 high gear retard capability only

Start Retard

Yes - Mapped in

No

Yes

Timing Advance Capability

Yes. RPM based advance curve or 3D timing map based on RPM and manifold pressure

No

No

Data Logging

Yes. Internal 16 Mbit DataFLASH memory

CD-Pro has no Data Logging by NHRA Rules

No

No

General Purpose Input/Output Terminals

Three

None

None

Optional PC Link

Yes. Can upload custom advance curves and download logged data

No

No

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ASSEMBLY

All three units utilize an extruded aluminum housing with stamped aluminum end plates that holds a single printed circuit board (PCB) assembly. Power devices are held against the lower left side of the housing by a heat sink bar. The CD-1 uses a wire harness for battery power, ground, and coil connections and a 12 terminal Deutsch connector for signal connections. The Crane HI-6DSR uses a wire harness for all connections. The MSD Digital 6 uses a wire harness for all connections except the tach signal that is brought out on a non-locking tab connector. All CD-1 and Crane HI-6DSR units are fully encapsulated with soft urethane material. MSD units are inconsistent. Some production units are fully encapsulated. The sample we obtained was only conformal coated and used hot melt adhesive to secure larger components that could vibrate loose. In general, any automotive electronics mounted under hood should be fully encapsulated to avoid failures due to moisture intrusion. 

Comparative internal views of the three units are shown below.

The pictures are scaled to the same relative dimensions and speak for themselves. The CD-1 has a neat, organized layout with high power devices spaced wide apart for improved heat dissipation. The wire harness connections are routed far away from sensitive digital circuitry. With the exception of high power devices, switches, and connectors, all other components are surface mount. The Crane HI-6 shown (the HI-6DSR is identical with the exception of two additional switches) has older technology with fewer and larger surface mount components. The MSD Digital 6 relies entirely on obsolete technology through-hole type components. Both the Crane and MSD units have jumbled wire harness connections that are routed directly over sensitive digital components.         

 

Internal View of Daytona Sensors CD-1 with Level 5 Electronics

 

Internal View of Crane HI-6

 

Internal View of MSD Digital 6 


TECHNOLOGY

All three units are capacitive discharge (CD) type ignitions with similar output characteristics and are suitable for racing use on high performance V8 engines running up to 10,000 RPM. All three units have a flyback type switching power supply in the DC/DC converter stage that charges up the energy storage capacitor. And all three units are based on modern IGBT (insulated gate bipolar transistor) technology in the coil driver output stage.   

The CD-1 utilizes an Atmel ATmega64 FLASH based processor versus the Microchip PIC16C series one-time-programmable processors found in the Crane and MSD units. Both Atmel and Microchip processors use fast RISC technology, but the newer Atmel processor executes instructions four times faster. The Atmel processor stores the program in FLASH memory that can be reprogrammed using the PC link, even after final assembly. This feature makes it possible for us to offer custom versions of the CD-1 without minimum production runs. The Atmel processor also has EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory) for storage of custom advance curves and other user programmable parameters. None of these capabilities are possible with the Microchip processors used in the Crane and MSD units.  

As mentioned above all three units have a flyback type switching power supply in the DC/DC converter stage. The DC/DC converter is a critical part of any CD ignition system. Efficiency is the most important criteria for the DC/DC converter. Lower efficiency means greater heat dissipation, higher operating temperatures, and reduced long term reliability. The Crane HI-6 DC/DC converter has a small E-core type transformer and older MOSFET (metal-oxide-semiconductor field-effect transistor) switching device that limits the efficiency to about 70%. That means that 30% of the energy supplied by the battery to charge the capacitor is lost as heat. The MSD DC/DC converter utilizes similar MOSFET technology but has an improved toroidal transformer that boosts efficiency to about 80%. The CD-1 utilizes the latest MOSFET technology, a new patented power supply topology known as boundary-mode control, and a novel regenerative snubber network that recovers energy otherwise lost during power device switching. The net result is over 90% efficiency and the ability to maintain full output even if the battery voltage drops well below 10 volts.

The Crane and MSD units lack internal data logging. The CD-1 has an Atmel AT45DB161D 16 Mbit Data FLASH memory that allows data logging at rates ranging from 2 samples/second for 5 hours to 100 samples/second for 6 minutes. When equipped with an optional manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor and vehicle speed sensor, the CD-1 system will log data including RPM, vehicle speed, manifold pressure, ignition timing, battery voltage, and status of the various inputs and outputs.

The Crane and MSD units lack programmable general purpose input/output terminals. The CD-1 has three such terminals that can be programmed for a variety of functions including data logging vehicle speed or analog 0-5 volt signals such as throttle position, and/or controlling devices such as a shift light or nitrous system. For complete details, refer to the CD-1 instructions.

 

Last update 1.30.13

 

 

Daytona CD-1 MSRP $585.00

On Sale Now call for pricing

MSD 7-2 $539.00

Coil Output

40,000V

40,000V

Multi Spark

To 3,300 RPM

To 3,300 RPM

Burn Degrees

20

20

Processor

16 MIPS micro-controller

4 MIPS micro-controller

Rev Limiters

3 total (2 set on rotary switches)

3

Spark Output

135 mJ

190 mJ

Coil

Included

HVC-2 $180.00

Data Acquisition Inputs

5 inputs

None

Data Acquisition Memory

16 MBit Data FLASH

None

Current Draw

5 Amp at 8,000 RPM

8.8 Amp at 8,000 RPM

Min Operating Voltage

6V

12V

Max Operating Voltage

20V

18V

Size

7.0 x 5.25 x 1.9    70 CI

8.5 x 4.5 x 2.25  86CI

Programmable Timing Curve

Standard

MSD 8975-$242.00

CD Voltage Output to Coil

535V

535V

3D Timing Map

Standard

No

2D Timing Map

Standard

No

Boost Proportional Retard

Yes

No

Input Terminals

1 General purpose

0

Input/Output Terminals

2 General purpose

0

USB Interface

Laptop Upload Cable connection

No capabilities

Total cost

With Coil and Link Cable MSRP Call for Sale Price

Add this all up to match the CD-1 $961.00

You still won't be able to match the all the features of the CD-1

 

  

Email comments:

Q. So my MSD box is full of glue?

Steve, Co.

A. It appears so ...poor horses

 

Q. I have a MSD 6AL, 8737,  8671, 8673, 8670, coil and Pro Billet distributor.  I have a miss at 6200 to 6700 and then it quits can you tell me what's wrong?

A. Maybe "MSD 6AL, 8737,  8671, 8673, 8670" ... all in one unit with the CD1 and CD-Pro.  We can test them all for $100.00, replacements are $200? EBay and buy a CD1, makes more sense to me.

 

Q. Wow big difference in the wiring quality.

A. I would agree

 

Q. I'm waiting for MSD to publish these pictures

A. Me Too, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

Q. Are these 100% Made in USA?

A. As with most multi component products we can't get away from importing some electronic components to build them, many items are no longer made in the USA especially in electronics.  (ask one of your 9.1%, closer to 20% unemployed neighbors)  Daytona always strives to find USA manufacturers that can make as many of the components as possible.  All the extrusions and assembly is done in Florida.

They employ many hard working skilled Americans, all good jobs with benefits and a good living wage. 

The recent CoO Laws (Country of Origin) mandate that any product with less than 50% Value in American made parts and labor can not be labeled "Made in America".  Haven't looked at the recent MSD Packaging.  Call them?

 

Q. Lots of mumbo jumbo electronics gibbley garb, do they work!

A. I run it and it's always flawless ....2010 Pro-Bracket Track Champion, 2011 Oregon State Champion, 2011 4 wins, 1 runner-up out of 12 races.  Ignition was always flawless, driver not so perfect. Over 7,000 units in service worldwide and all flawless.

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